Every so often a guest says something that rearranges the furniture in my head. Nate Ross did that this week.
Nate spent twenty years in local church ministry before launching Moments to Movements, a leadership development work built on a simple conviction: every leader is stuck or stalled somewhere. Doesn’t matter the size of the church. There is always something you’re wrestling with that you don’t yet know how to name.
Here’s the line that got me. Nate said we are producing a generation of preachers who are good in the pulpit but don’t know how to pastor people. Preaching is a gift, he said, but making disciples is the goal—and gifts exist to serve the goal.
That distinction matters more than we admit. Nate walked me through four areas where leaders need development. Personal performance—the preaching itself—is one of them. But there is also learning agility, relationships, and character. Four, not one.
And here’s the problem I’ve watched play out in churches and, if I’m honest, in higher education too: when someone is exceptional at number one, we give them a pass on the other three. The preaching is strong, attendance is up, the budget is healthy—so nobody asks whether he’s read a book in five years, or whether he can sit in a hospital room, or whether there are cracks in his character that Sunday morning is papering over. Excellence in the visible thing buys silence about the invisible things. That’s not stewardship. That’s a time bomb.
Nate rooted the alternative in something beautiful. He pointed out that Jesus asked 307 questions in the Gospels, and quoted Proverbs 20:5—the purposes of a person’s heart are deep waters, but a person of understanding draws them out. Some of Jesus’ questions sound almost silly on the surface. *Do you want to get well?* The man is obviously lame. But Jesus wasn’t gathering information. He was drawing out deep water.
That’s pastoring. And a preacher who has never learned to do it can still fill a room.
Nate also named the loneliness honestly: we prepare alone, we preach alone, and we recover alone. Then he pointed to John 16, where Jesus tells the disciples they will scatter and leave Him alone—yet He is not alone, because the Father is with Him. Jesus could sit in the loneliness of His calling without needing to escape it. Most of us can’t. So we rush to the next campaign, the next series, the next whiteboard vision.
Sit in the moment instead. Ask the question. Draw out the deep water.
The people in front of you don’t need a better performance. They need a better pastor.